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18th-Apr-2010 08:05 pm
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Would you be upset if a long-term partner confessed that s/he'd committed a serious crime before you met? How do you think it would affect your relationship?

when first posted this, question read:

Regardless of your sexual identity/orientation, would you be upset if a long-term romantic partner neglected to tell you that s/he'd had a sex change operation before you met, and why?

If you don't believe me, check debunkingcis and darkwaterfairy, or go bacvk and look at the early answers to the question ( I just had to go back to skip=90 to see questions that were obviously about gender identity

That's right, ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, LiveJournal ran a immensely transphobic and hateful writer's block question on their front page. Because trans people only exist to give cis folks an excuse to play oh-so-fun hypothetical moral games with them. Obviously. Note the word 'neglected', for extra fail.

Presumably having been called out of how hateful that behaviour is, they changed the question - not posted a new one, but changed the wording of the question without de-linking the answer list. And what they changed it to?

Equates transitioning to serious criminal behaviour.

Fuck you, Livejournal. *Goes to figure out how someone complains in this situation*


I have sent to following message to LiveJournal Abuse:

I believe the entirety of today's Writer's Block question violates Livejournal's own Terms of Service according to XVI 1), because it encourages and propagates a discussion that is hateful and objectionable on gender discrimination grounds.

The original question -

"Regardless of your sexual identity/orientation, would you be upset if a long-term romantic partner neglected to tell you that s/he'd had a sex change operation before you met, and why?"

- is intensely offensive to transgender/transexual people and to anyone who regards transexual and transgender people as actual people and not objects of interest to be othered and used for hypothetical 'what if...' scenarios. Especially the wording 'neglected', implying that someone's past gender identity is, rather than a private situaiton, something that belongs to their current partner. More than that, though, it promotes the kind of rhetoric that permeates anti-trans culture and encourages the idea that transsexual status is something to be ashamed of and the domain of cis sexual people to complain about.

I can only presume someone worked out how offensive this question was, only to make the whole situation infinitely worse by changing the question to:

"Would you be upset if a long-term partner confessed that s/he'd committed a serious crime before you met? How do you think it would affect your relationship?"

Equating someone's gender identity to committing a 'serious crime' is beyond offensive, and I'm sure I don't need to explain why.

Why on Earth did LiveJournal choose to make a bad situation worse without any sort of public acknowledgement or apology?

-- SON OF EDIT: Link round up --

sparkindarkness: When you ask a question like this, in this fashion, you are presenting it as a legitimate argument for debate.

silverflight8: Talk about nasty.
tralfamadore: Take Me As I am (My transphobia inclulded)
mors_litterae: LJ, your cis privilege and transphobia is showing.
allieflowlight: I am used to LJ screwing up and doing wrong by their users, but I never thought I'd see such naked bigotry from them.
aopt: this is just fucking rich
witchy_abriel: My Letter to LJ Regarding Yesterday's FAIL

spiffynamehere: But I also have an icon to contribute

If I've missed anyone, let me know!
18th-Apr-2010 07:09 pm (UTC)
Wow, that's a special kind of fail. FFS.
18th-Apr-2010 07:09 pm (UTC)
18th-Apr-2010 07:20 pm (UTC)
soserious. 'o'
18th-Apr-2010 07:22 pm (UTC)
Hello, troll. Pull up a chair.
18th-Apr-2010 07:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, LJ. Every time I turn around, they have found a fresh way to fail.
18th-Apr-2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
See also: english_vampire!

That's just ridiculous, why would they change it?
19th-Apr-2010 06:06 am (UTC)
I'm guessing they got enough negative backlash to figure out they effed up with the first question- so rather than apologizing and retracting it, they tried to cover it up only to make it worse. :/
18th-Apr-2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
I don't know you at all, but thank you for posting this.
18th-Apr-2010 08:42 pm (UTC)
Thank you for commenting.
18th-Apr-2010 08:03 pm (UTC)
It's now reverted back to the sex change question again.
18th-Apr-2010 08:23 pm (UTC)
Ugh, really? I still see 'serious crime'. Though apparently it stays stuck as the original for some people due to cache issues?
18th-Apr-2010 08:29 pm (UTC)
I didn't see the original question when it first went up; your post (tweeted by apiphile) was the first I knew of it - so I didn't have a previous version in my cache to confuse the issue.
18th-Apr-2010 08:40 pm (UTC)
And some people are still answering the original. Interesting.
18th-Apr-2010 08:12 pm (UTC)
I also notice this. Here's my original post: http://deusabscondidum.livejournal.com/149727.html

And then a second one when people pointed out that it had been changed to one about a person committing a crime: http://deusabscondidum.livejournal.com/150108.html?mode=reply

This is so epic fail.
18th-Apr-2010 08:41 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the links. And for dropping by.
18th-Apr-2010 08:43 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this. I was extremely bothered by it, too.
18th-Apr-2010 09:03 pm (UTC)
I'm going to bed now, because sitting and stewing in impotent anger isn't helping me.

But seriously.
18th-Apr-2010 09:32 pm (UTC)
Thanks for posting this. I've also sent a message complaining to LJ abuse and linked my friends to this. Make noise!
18th-Apr-2010 10:37 pm (UTC)
Oh bollocks, I literally just answered the 'serious crime' question without knowing about all this *gestures to the previous crap LJ had spewed before* and now I feel like a right ass. :c

Like it would matter if you loved them anyway. ¬¬
19th-Apr-2010 01:30 am (UTC)
It would matter to me. If my significant other kept any secret of that magnitude from me, it's a deal breaker. It would seriously make me question all kinds of things; their ability to relate to someone honesty and integrity among them.
19th-Apr-2010 03:11 am (UTC)
What, you mean the fact that they had received SRS? Because if you do, it's not their duty to tell you this about them. If they choose to, that's awesome, but it's not like they're hiding who they really are from you. Maybe they're just trying to live a life free from the complications and harassment and discrimination that surround being trans. Maybe they're just scared that telling you would result in you reacting the way many families, friends, coworkers, and partners may have reacted to the revelation that this person is trans.

(of course, if you're referring to the question of crime, that's a different story and I'm sorry for subjecting you to something you didn't need to hear.)
19th-Apr-2010 01:27 pm (UTC)
Apparently the journal owner would not like me to answer this question here, which I can respect. If you'd like to continue the conversation, let me know. I'd be glad to expound.
19th-Apr-2010 05:03 pm (UTC)
Actually, I'd rather not. If you have a good explanation, that's great, and if you don't, I don't want to know about it. But thanks for offering and being respectful of the journal owner's wishes.

Innerbrat? Sorry I got off-topic here.
19th-Apr-2010 05:09 pm (UTC)
No apologies needed - I respect and understand the desire to engage. I just have problems with the question itself, for obvious reasons.
19th-Apr-2010 05:21 pm (UTC)
That's totally reasonable. I wouldn't want people responding to either question on my blog, either.
19th-Apr-2010 06:42 am (UTC)
I don't think the comments of my journal are the place for actually answering either question.
18th-Apr-2010 11:24 pm (UTC)
May I quote/link your post in my journal? I found your post on the "read other answers" thing. I'm making a angry post right now. This is really unacceptable for lj to do.
19th-Apr-2010 03:21 am (UTC)
Yet another angry message has been sent to LJ.

I'm sickened. I don't see it as them equating trans people to crime but it does seem as if they see trans people as a joke.

Its disgusting. I want a front effing page apology.
19th-Apr-2010 06:40 am (UTC)
It is absolutely OK! Thanks for dropping by.
19th-Apr-2010 03:13 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for sending that message to Livejournal; at this point in time, I don't think I could've pulled off a calm rebuttal. And I totally agree with everything you said. This is all kinds of not okay.
19th-Apr-2010 04:59 am (UTC)
Hello, stranger! I made it here through a friend-of-a-comm list. Thank you for the summary -- I'd heard bits and pieces, but not enough to get a clear picture.
19th-Apr-2010 05:46 am (UTC)
I plan to link back to this post in my journal, I hope that's okay.
19th-Apr-2010 06:41 am (UTC)
It is absolutely OK, thank you.
19th-Apr-2010 06:44 am (UTC)
This makes me wanna cry. And then throttle somebody. But instead I'm going to write a complaint, tell my friends, and be glad that a friend (oddly, a trans one) invited me to join Dreamwidth today and I thought oh, why not). Now I just have to ask myself why I'd stay here...
19th-Apr-2010 03:26 pm (UTC)
Hoping one of the big communities picks this up soon. They may be snarky, but props to them, they do point out fail when they see it and spread the word.
19th-Apr-2010 04:46 pm (UTC)
Holy shit! It was 'serious crime' when I first saw it, I had no idea about the change.
20th-Apr-2010 02:25 pm (UTC)
Hahaha, well this is funny.

Yup they should have apologized or thought about the sensitive people around that could be bothered by it, even though some are very open. But personally, yeah it bothered me a bit with all its not so hidden implications.

I hope something gets done about this~
21st-Apr-2010 12:24 pm (UTC)
Thank you; I appreciate your posting about this.
29th-Sep-2010 07:31 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing this! I just linked this post on my journal. This needs to be shared.
25th-Dec-2012 01:52 pm (UTC) - I don't agree
I don't agree that the question is inherently. "Neglect" might be a poor choice of word but that doesn't seem to be your main complaint.

If you're in a long-term romantic relationship, you might consider everything significant about your partner to be "yours". You also might not. The question is at least as much about what you expect/consider reasonable to expect from a long-term partner as it is about transgender/transexual/... issues.

If you are not telling your partner something (anything) because you think they would react badly then that partner might very well be upset by the secrecy/deceit.

Discussing hypothetical scenarios does not automatically demean the subjects of such speculation.

They did *not* in any way equate this to a serious crime. They *changed* the quesion: in fact they very deliberately moved a very long way away from the whole sexuality issue - if they left the existing answers then that was an oversight not a bigotted attack.

There is plenty of bigotry out there (I dare say the answers hold lots to object to). Don't get so sensitive you feel you need to lash out at people who are merely careless -it doesn't do anyone any favours (...well maybe bigots could get some ammunition).
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