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14th-Apr-2008 10:01 pm
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Just finished watching The Real Casanova on TV Choice on Demand - shut up, it was gaming research. Not sure which annoyed me most: male historians declaring another man to be feminist, or female historians justifying violence against a woman by a) saying she deserved it for not putting out, and b) claiming he felt really bad about it afterwards.

Nasty mouth-taste exacerbated when we switched to BBC News 24  during Entertainment hour and discovered Noel Gallagher is a racist bastard.

Which, y'know, I'm not surprised about, but when I - IB - am coming down on the side of Hip-Hop, you know there's something wrong.

Course, I hate rich Britpop whining as much as any rap, but that's beside the point.
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15th-Apr-2008 11:52 am (UTC)
But he does explain why - he says "Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music". I mean, on reflection, I don't think that's a great reason, although I can see the point that if it's a festival with a certain type of music, it'd be good to headline it with that type of music... but Glastonbury seems to be diversifying anyway.

Back to the point, though, in this case saying it's not our kind seems very reasonable. You'd not go to an italian restaurant and expect the best dish there to be curry; you'd not go to an evening class for maths and be taught history; you'd not go to a festival of guitar music and expect a hip-hop band headlining. I suppose you could argue that's some sort of "ism" - "you're not being inclusive of all types of food, you're curryist!" - but really I would say to call his comments racist is just being inflammatory.

I don't like the way he says it though, "But I'm not having hip-hop at Glastonbury." - it's not your festival!

A virulent hatred of submarines would be an interesting interpretation ;) "Glastonbury sucks, cos there's loads of submarines there!" Given the weather, perhaps not an impossibility...
15th-Apr-2008 04:52 pm (UTC)
But he does explain why - he says "Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music".

But -- Kylie Minogue ... ?

Granted I've never been to Glastonbury, but it looks to me* like a better analogy would be "there shouldn't be a curry entree in J. Random University's dining hall tonight, we have a great tradition of eating British food."

* Uh ... from Wikipedia. But, I mean, it's billed as a festival of contemporary performing arts, it's not like it's called the Glastonbury Guitar Music Festival.

It wouldn't have been my phrasing -- if I objected whenever somebody said something like that about hip hop, I'd never stop objecting and my jaw would fall off -- but I get why Debi said it. And I definitely don't think it's more racist to point out that overall, negative sentiment toward "black" music isn't separate from negative sentiment toward blackness, than it is to imply that there's something fundamentally inappropriate about Jay-Z at Glastonbury for reasons you can't explain, like allorin was saying.
15th-Apr-2008 06:52 pm (UTC)
But he did explain it - he said he doesn't think what is predominantly a guitar-based festival is suited to hip-hop. Just because you don't agree with his explanation, doesn't mean he didn't give one.

I agree, his phrasing was blunt - but seriously, what else would we expect from one of the Gallagher brothers?
17th-Apr-2008 11:49 pm (UTC)
He doesn't explain how Kylie Minogue is suitable for the festival, but Jay-Z isn't.

I don't actually think his phrasing was blunt.
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