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6th-Jun-2008 11:05 pm
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Honestly, you people are never satisified.
  • 09:45 feels like death warmed up this morning #
  • 14:11 finally read Final Crisis - uh, did J'onn just get Happy Slapped? #
  • 18:30 still feels like crap. Would like to know WTF is up with Batman RIP, too. #

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6th-Jun-2008 10:08 pm (UTC)
Hope you recover soon from your brief attack of the plague!
6th-Jun-2008 10:19 pm (UTC)
God, J'onn died like a chump.
6th-Jun-2008 10:51 pm (UTC)
I only know for sure that J'Onn is dead because DC ran ads this week that ask readers "where were you when the Martian Manhunter died?"

Though there are so many ways he could come back from the dead without a retcon that he will inevitably return.
7th-Jun-2008 03:58 am (UTC)
Wait, J'Onn's dead?

maybe i should read that.
Crap. :(
7th-Jun-2008 06:45 am (UTC)
7th-Jun-2008 06:44 am (UTC)
I had to go back a couple of times just to try and figure out who it was the new chav gang of supervillians had happy-slapped, it wasn't obvious.

But seriously. Who films things on their cell if they're older than 16?
7th-Jun-2008 09:25 am (UTC)
You've not been to any biggish gigs lately, then? It's terrible, half the people down the front aren't really *there*, they're filming it to show their friends they were there. I thought that comment on our mediated age was really smart, one of the better things in a fairly underwhelming issue, and a no-mark braggart like the Human Flame was exactly the right character for it. Also, did you spot the brand of his mobile?
I think the point of the exercise was that, given evil won the war in heaven, the narrative rules of the DCU have been upended - now evil wins as a matter of course. It's an idea Grant has explored before in JLA: Earth 2, but that time he did at least do us the courtesy of explaining it.

I have no idea how much of the stuff teased in Batman RIP is going to turn out true, but even just as teases, it was a stunning issue.
7th-Jun-2008 09:37 am (UTC)
>_< I am rarely near the front, choosing to remain at the back of the front, where I'm not going to get kicked inna head by crowd surfers. But- ouch. OK, I can buy it as a tale of our times, I guess.

I just didn't understand half of what was going on in Batman RIP: possibly because I haven't been reading much of the main Bats lines since OYL, and am too used to dipping in during the big storylines. Maybe I'll have to read it again.
7th-Jun-2008 03:03 pm (UTC)
I've only read the Morrison run - oh, OK, and a couple of Milligan issues on Robin and Detective during the rather baffling R'as al Ghul story. I think it's fair to say that until recently, most of us who were reading it were pretty confused too, but there was an issue...two months before RIP started, possibly? which tied everything together and gave us all an 'Aaaah!' moment - just in time to have the rug yanked from under our feet again.
7th-Jun-2008 04:54 pm (UTC)
The only thing I know about Ra's Al Ghul is:
- he's immortal
- he has those pits
- he was apparently in love with and wanted to marry the Black Canary. Uh, while she was also dating with Dr. Mid-Nite. I don't know how continuity works there.
- he has a daughter, Talia.
- Talia had a thing with Bruce.

I thought Talia was the mother of Bruce's biological son, but I'm a little confused on that front now.
8th-Jun-2008 02:24 am (UTC)
Well, 1 & 2 *were* the case, but I was under the impression that Greg Rucka had fouled the last of the pits in Death and the Maidens, thus leaving him mortal and indeed dead. 3 is news to me, but perfectly plausible. 4 is true, ditto 5 - but the son had been retconned out until Morrison retconned him back in. So at this point, your guess is as good as mine.
8th-Jun-2008 06:33 am (UTC)
Right, now I'm caught up.

(3 is the only thing I'm sure of, being a Dinah fan. A Lazurus Pit is how she regained her cry and her ability to bear children.)
8th-Jun-2008 09:30 am (UTC)
I knew she'd lost the cry. The other...how very DC. Although dear heavens, don't the Pits send you mental for a bit afterwards? I dread to think how they played that with her.
Also - if the Pits act as a general cure-all, one wonders why Bruce, or now Dinah, has never thought to mention this to Barbara Gordon.
8th-Jun-2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
TBF, it was all handled very well in Grell's Green Arrow run as part of the "Ollie and Dinah have Real Problems" idea, though the fact that she found this out in the same issue they decided to try plays a bit funny with even comic timing.

And yes, Babs knows - she was there at the time and dumped the fatally injured Dinah into the Pit (which is apparently one-use) to save her life. Then Dinah went mental, tried to kill Babs and the Blue Beetle, and Babs knocked her out with an electric stun gun.

Because I'm obsessed with making canon work, I also use the associated madness as an excuse as to why Dinah's apparently forgotten Bruce's secret identity during the closely following Bruce Wayne: Murderer arc. (Because seriously - WTF?)

It's all in BoP 33-35, and is good Dixon work.
8th-Jun-2008 09:31 pm (UTC) - "good Dixon work"
See, that was a phrase that was never going to get me on side. As Chucks go, he's at least less painfully incompetent than Austen, but he's still a no-mark homophobe arse.
8th-Jun-2008 09:36 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
I love his run on BoP almost as much as I love Gail Simone's work on the same, and so far I've found his issues of Robin the only ones readable. (I had to give up after Willingham took over and didn't start again until Dixon came back).

Sometimes his blatent politics seep in and make me go "eh", but I do invariably end up liking his work.
8th-Jun-2008 09:49 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
Willingham has had his moments, but often bugs me - to the extent that I get puzzled about Fables' popularity. But at least he never went all out with the necrophilia-is-better-than-gay.
8th-Jun-2008 10:06 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
Fables has/had SO MUCH POTENTIAL and I keep reading it in the hope I'll see it, but a lot of his characters are just flat, and he has gone all out with his YAY ISRAEL and his BOO ABORTIONS (which, yeah, Dixon did too). But when he took over Robin, all the characters' personalities changed - Jack Drake went crazy overnight, Bruce and Tim both went kind of more nuts than usual, and after Jack was killed for a narrative reason unknown to many, Alfred fell in love with Dana, and blegh. And then Steph. Which Dixon had retconned as best he can.

Sorry, I never read the "gays are bad" storyline. Don't know if I want to, considering that he currently writes two of my favourite titles (well, one and a tie-in) and don't want to lose him.

OK, what is that storyline?
9th-Jun-2008 06:06 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
I read the first few Fables collections and...I don't know, it just seemed a little too much like an attempt to fill the gap left by Sandman, and not enough its own creature. I don't *dislike* it, but I concluded that it wasn't for me.

I find it quite entertaining the way they're now trying to make out that the Spoiler return was part of their cunning plan all along. Jack died in Identity Crisis, didn't he? Which I read, and which had its moments, but I imagine that was bloody annoying if you were reading the title where he normally resides.

The storyline in question - I never read it either, but as I understand it lots of other writers had been gently implying that Green Arrow Jr was maybe not quite the ladies' man his father had been, leading up to perhaps actually using the G-word at some point if the Warners high-ups weren't looking. At which point Dixon, who iirc created the character, comes in with a story where Connor ends up sleeping with a ghost - but a lady ghost, obviously. I don't think anything explicit was said in the story, so taken by itself it might have been lousy but it wouldn't have been objectionable. However, Dixon had also done an interview a bit earlier in which he essentially said "I don't object to homosexuals doing what they want to in private, but I don't want it being snuck into my children's comics", which rather inclined everyone to put the worst construction on the matter.
Which said, Dixon has since written a Midnighter miniseries in which afaik he resisted retconning him into a straight, so maybe he's not as bad as all that.
10th-Jun-2008 08:13 am (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
I'm rarely amused by the editorial process, but it comes across to me like a writer trying his darnedest to make the best of a bad situation by retconning as much of the stupid as he can - he's managed to produce a living Steph, salvaged Leslie's character, and (weakly) explained the memorial case as succinctly as possible. I don't know how much the bigwigs are claimed it was planned, but it reads like Dixon returning to a title, spluttering with "what the hell did you do while i was away?" and trying to get things back. See also: Ives.

I don't think I've read where Jack died. He just, one day, was dead.

Connor: eeesch. I don't know who created him (as I've only read the titles where Ollie headlines), but I dunno, I like him as asexual (like him as gay, as well, but asexual seems to fit better with his personality and as an antethesis to Ollie). I'm aware of Dixon's rampant homophobia in his personal life, and it makes me twitch that he'd bring itin like that, but i still think he's a better writer than most.

HA. I don't know what it says about me, but somewhere in trying to picture Connor as gay, I thought: but wouldn't it be ironic if Oliver Queen was the only person in the whole damn family capable of giving blood?
10th-Jun-2008 06:12 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
In terms of the overall level of clue possessed by DC editorial, check out interview with Grant Morrison to which my new post links. He's a big enough deal these days that he can openly express his exasperation with the incompetence that makes him look bad - imagine how much worse it must be for those lower down the totem pole, who nonetheless can't afford to break ranks and mouth off.

Dixon's status-quoism can be a problem - I remember him once complaining that another writer killed one of his (fairly minor) characters, and thinking, well if we took that to its logical conclusion, nobody in comics could ever die even in the temporary sense they usually manage, and it would all stagnate horribly. Here, though, it sounds as though it was for the best.

Jack's death was one of the better-handled bits of Identity Crisis, a comic which many felt hideously misogynistic. Personally, I thought that was unfair - the stuff that came across that way was just part of a wider clumsiness. Which was still a shame, because Brad Meltzer had done pretty well on his previous comics story, a really good Green Arrow arc in which Ollie dealt with the consequences of coming back from the dead.
10th-Jun-2008 06:22 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
That was The Archer's Quest, right? I read that yesterday and really enjoyed it. I loved Kevin Smith's work on the same title, but have just reached Winick's, which fills me with dread considering I have had to cancel my subscription to GA/BC to avoid his writing.

I just thought Identity Crisis was bad. Horribly horribly bad. And mostly because mind control is a horrible horrible squick for me and I'd be quite happy if no one wrote it outside of porn ever. Which is a major part of why I prefer DC to Marvel, because DC only really do it in shitpiles like that one.
10th-Jun-2008 06:28 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
That's the one. Winick is an unfortunate case, in that his own projects that I've read have been pretty impressive in a low-key way, but on corporate properties...he means well, he has some good ideas, he just fundamentally isn't very good.

85% of Marvel mind control stories are by Chris Claremont, so if you just avoid his name you'll be mostly OK.
10th-Jun-2008 06:36 pm (UTC) - Re: "good Dixon work"
The trouble is that I thought it would be a good idea to read Uncanny X-Men from issue 1. Including the parts where Magneto has mind control powers.
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