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6th-Aug-2008 12:21 pm
heroes
Hellboy II was a disappointment, but probably because I've been spoiled - not in that way - by Iron Man and The Dark Knight being so darn good. I just felt the difference between 'team action movie' and 'Del Torro movie' a little too gaping and the two halves didn't mesh well together, despite both being good movies.

And possibly also because I spent most of the time since [spoiler] was revealed going ... how is that even possible? My disbelief  was expected to suspend further than it wanted to. Anyway, steely_glintSam and davegodfreyDave both liked it a lot for reasons I agreed with, so I can forgive it for being a sequel.

Anyway, I am both back at the museum with the tail end of a respiratory infection/flu like thing that utterly ruined my weekend, and listening to Aerosmith on iGor - I finally got my act together on Monday and went to buy me some headphones, which is nice. I honestly think some of my problems with focus recently have been tied to the breakage of my last lot: I need the music as mental blinkers to keep me focused at the very least, on my computer screen. This is the idea, and also it means I can get on with converting Heroes to iPod format to watch on the tube, for no other reason than for getting lilmsmiraclegroClaire into the Bar.

So yeah, I'm OK.Coughing up a storm, but it's dry and annoying rather than crippling right now.

I think I have a post brewing about how comics, for all we complain, seem to be a lot less misogynistic as a collection of fiction than, say, movies: being one of the other two forms of sequential visual narrative out there, but I'm not quite there. It started with a conversation last night with steely_glintSam about how most of my comics pass the Bechdel test regularly. His response it might just be a function of the comics you read was a valid one, but if my genre choice of comics a) doesn't exist or b) is significantly different as a movie genre, I'd like to explore that. Later.
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6th-Aug-2008 02:15 pm (UTC)
I think comics are better compared with TV series. Batman the comic may well pass the Bechdel test in many of its stories, but the film fails because it has to compress a single story into 3 hours, and at the same time drive the story along. With a comic (and a novel) you have more time to take diversions into character development, etc.

A comic (especially one with a long history) can pick up and drop characters at will, without too much explanation. Black Canary gives Batman one clue, Wonder Woman another, and then Batgirl captures the villain at the climax for example. In a film you'd probably have to amalgamate all those different characters into one.
6th-Aug-2008 02:28 pm (UTC)
Actually, I agree on that one, but the media are only different with respect to story length. Don't forget you've just described a Batman title, not one in which Black Canary helps out Batgirl, which I doubt will ever be made into a movie. In movies, and to a lesser extent TV, there appears to be a more skewed gender ratio.

The core of what I'm thinking of, is that the line of course it's a sexist movie; it's based on a comic! is in fact complete bollocks.
6th-Aug-2008 02:58 pm (UTC)
I'm aware I picked a Batman title. Just because a title focuses on a particular man doesn't mean it can't pass the Bechdel test. And even if it doesn't can have lots of strong female characters without too much difficulty.

Plus the companies have enough titles that even if one doesn't have any strong female characters (in that particular story) most of the others either use them or revolve around them.
6th-Aug-2008 03:11 pm (UTC)
And yet the vast majority of movies (and TV shows) have a male protagonist, even though they don't work within the tight restrictions of the pre-existing universes that the Big Two confine themselves to.

(It occurs to me that your excample also doesn't strictly pass the Bechdel test, if each of the heroines only talk to Batman)

You're right though - a storyline focusing on a man can pass the test or have strong female characters. I think a story told through the comic medium is more likely to do so than those told through moving pictures. I haven't refined this idea, though, and might be wrong.
6th-Aug-2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
Clearly the line should be "Of course its a sexist movie, its a movie."

Talking about Batman in the second paragraph I deliberately chose a story that fails, but still has lots of good female characters.
6th-Aug-2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
Ah, right. Fair enough.

(Hellboy II not only failed, BTW, but seemed to go out of its way to fail. They're going somewhere where they'll have to talk to a lot of people, that may include women! Keep Liz in the van!)
6th-Aug-2008 03:32 pm (UTC)
I noticed that too. Pity really. That and the ending.
6th-Aug-2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
Okay, I gotta interject there.

Because that point is just as likely interpreted as "They're going someplace where being human is a problem, so she kinda can't come with."
7th-Aug-2008 08:40 am (UTC)
It could be.

But whatever the actual meta reason might be, the only time two women were ever in the same room, they were at opposite ends of a big one.
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7th-Aug-2008 08:44 am (UTC)
It did make me laugh a lot, though. I had fun.
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