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2nd-Feb-2009 12:01 pm
El Jay
I'm just going to quote wholesale from matgbMat Bowles's post on the subject:
I like Twitter. It's nice, quick and effective, and allows for quick thoughts or short public discussions that can crossover with others. That there are MPs sometimes sat in the House of Commons listening to debates and reading Twitter means I can, if necessary, pass information on nice and easily. Not done it yet, but it might happen.

I also like sharing links and stuff on Twitter, and having my Twitter posts (but not replies) transfer to both my Facebook status and as daily digests. As I'd just stopped doing linkspams and can't be bothered to fix the code, I'm temporarily doing all my links through Twitter as well, it suits me.

I like reading others Twitter digests, ported through LoudTwitter, on my friends list. I personally dislike it when they're cut, as it stops me doing a quick scan and I'm not likely to open the cut text up as it takes too long. If I don't want to read, I can scroll past.

Given that I like having LoudTwitter posts on my friends page, I've added some code to my journal to make them look a lot better than the default. This is Good.

But I also know that some people, poor misunderstanding types that they are, dislike seeing Twitter posts, completely. Given that some people seem to insist on crossposting all their Tweets, including their halves of ongoing conversations that make little sense, I can understand this, but it's better to just get such people to turn off the option of importing replies, as redatt explains.

But, for those of you that really don't want to read Loudtwitter posts on their friends page, and for those of you that want to enhance the Loudtwitter posts that appear on theirs, I thought I'd share some code.

My enhancement code:

And some removal code if you really want it:

Note, I coded it in twenty seconds, it's a simple CSS trick, it only removes the list of tweets, not the whole post, and it was really easy.

To use either, all you need to do is go here and copy/paste it in

For those of you that have got into the habit of cutting your tweet imports because some friends wanted it? If they don't want to see them, link them here. Because I'd much rather see them, and helping everyone make their tweets look pretty makes sense to me. Anyone that wants the colours changed to suit their background, feel free to comment.
I agree with just about everything Mat says: I like using Twitter on its own, I like reading people's daily summaries, and I made the effort to code my layout to handle them:

I also don't like clicking cuts to read them, as I'm lazy. I have some people who only follow my LJ, some who only follow Twitter, and the feedback loop I have going means no one needs to follow both. I'm glad people have stopped griping about how people choose to fill their blog, and I've always been a fan of bibliotech's Loudtwitter footnote:
If you don't want to see these posts on your friendspage, go read something else.
2nd-Feb-2009 02:52 pm (UTC)
I keep wondering whether other people don't have scrollbars or something, because that's what I use when there are twitters that I do not feel like reading.

I guess it'd be different if there were a higher twitter-to-post ratio on my flist or something.
2nd-Feb-2009 03:10 pm (UTC)
I have to admit that I'm one of those people where if I want to read your Twitters I will have you friended on Twitter. I don't get why anyone would copy Twitters over to LJ in what amount to out of context snippets of conversation. The "just scroll down" option doesn't really work when you have people using this regularly and turning a flist into an annoying signal to noise ratio.

I appreciate the concept of the code to remove LJ Loudtwitter posts but does it remove everything or just leave blank spaces? Because if it's a blank space the same size as the twittering that strikes me as the same signal to noise problem. In which case putting the posts behind cut tags make them easier to ignore. As for the difficulty of clicking cut tags to read someone's tweets, if you want to read the tweets why aren't you reading them on Twitter?

Perhaps this is all very kids today/get off my lawn but, other than wanting a backup for some reason, I really don't get the point of LJ Twitter posts. And the feedback loop you have going doesn't really work, because if I have you friended on both systems, which I do, my only option to avoid the redundancies seems to be to defriend you on one or the other. Which I'd hate to do because then I'm cutting off an avenue of communication. (Tweets allowing for types of conversations that replies to LJ posts do not, and vice versa).

Not to pick on you or anything. It's just that I haven't understood the whole Loud Twitter thing for a while and since you did this post I thought maybe it'd be a chance for somebody who's into it to explain it to me in captain dummy speak.
2nd-Feb-2009 03:34 pm (UTC)
what amount to out of context snippets of conversation

This? This is a problem. Loudtwitter has a really easy option to remove replies, so you only get content, not conversations, which is what I've set mine to. Others prefer to import everything, I don't get the point as one half of a conversation is pointless, normally.

But the rest of my tweets are normally fairly useful, and I'm specifically using it in order to add content elsewhere, it replaces my old use of direct text messaging posts and similar.

The code should remove the entire list of tweets and not waste any space, that's what it did for me. It may do weird stuff on other layouts, I've no way of knowing but am happy to look if someone has a problem.

I agree with Debi—I have a lot of friends on Twitter and Facebook that don't read my LJ directly, and have others on LJ that don't use Twitter; especially for links and stuff I want to share it's a good way of getting stuff out there.

People that are just using Twitter for the sake of Twitter that export are, to an extent, backing up content dynamically, but that's it. But Debi and I are both using Twitter for itself and to transport stuff elsewhere, so my tone and content in tweets is different—I regularly get long discussions on my Facebook status update tweets, especially if I've linked to something, which is cool.
2nd-Feb-2009 10:28 pm (UTC)
Good to know about the coding! I'll have to take a look.

I can also see how if the tweets are done in a way where it's imparting a certain kind of information in a certain manner, then LoudTweets make sense. (Esp since I assume they'd also gather up those posts in a sort of context, even if it's just "All tweets done today" where arguably the collected post is more useful than ferreting out the tweets on one's, erm, twitlist ;) )

I guess the problem lies with those who aren't using the connected system in a mindful manner, and the LJ posts are just a backup archive of sentences that don't mean anything. Which is why the cut tags work so well for someone like me, because they cut down on the noise on my flist, but it's an easy click (esp with various Firefox extensions) to read the content if I want to.

I'll have to try the code out though, to see if that's even more helpful. So much obliged on your input there =)
2nd-Feb-2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
I am in agreement with your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I do appreciate, IB, that you remove the @ replies, but like TBQ said, if I have you friended on both systems, which I do, then it's very redundant.
2nd-Feb-2009 04:01 pm (UTC)
OTOH, I know that you found me on Twitter first, then friended me on LJ hours after I first imported an LJ post over there, so I attributed the redundancy as one of the reasons we even became LJ friends.
2nd-Feb-2009 04:38 pm (UTC)
I have to also agree with the feedback loop thing. If I'm looking for twitter-style communication, I'll login to Twitter; if I'm looking for LJ posts I'll login to LJ. The constant circle of 1) post to Twitter 2) have these Twitters appear on LJ 3) have that LJ post appear on Twitter... does seem kind of excessive.
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2nd-Feb-2009 05:14 pm (UTC)
You're not far wrong.
2nd-Feb-2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
Yep that's my take on it too. I don't use Twitter, and I'm not sure I'll bother. Given that it usually takes me 10 minutes to write a comment to someone on LJ as I want to phrase it correctly, the chances of me sending more than one Twit a day is somewhat small.
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2nd-Feb-2009 04:53 pm (UTC)
>_> I'll cut-tag
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2nd-Feb-2009 05:13 pm (UTC)
I get very very severe cabin fever when trapped in a flat by the weather. It affects my ability not to overreact.
2nd-Feb-2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
It just strikes me as exacerbating the biggest problem with the blogging age: everything is a copy of a copy of a copy. People Digg blog posts that link to blog posts that link to an actual vague news story, with nothing in between adding any actual content. Entire multi-million dollar sites have sprouted up that center around forming connections and not actually doing anything with them. And now, because nobody can solve the real networking problems with the Web, we have services that copy your content from one thingy you use to another thingy you use, diluting the amount of actual interesting content that appears on each thingy.

I've had days where a good third of my friends page is just copy/pasted from Twitter. Something is wrong when I'm close to spending as much time identifying and skipping xeroxed junk as I am reading new stuff.

Not that your regular posts are lacking in content by any stretch of the imagination, but as a picky design nerd I'm still going to get huffy about the issue in general.
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