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This are a very important poll. 
18th-Feb-2009 10:09 am
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The hypothesis on the table is: the gender stereotypes madly bandied about by the media these days; that girls like pretty things and boys like football, is a wholly accurate model and a useful guide in informing behaviour. Don't forget that anyone with an openID can vote, and you all have an openID

So theyorkshergobJennie set up a poll:
Imagine you have a choice of three catch-free gifts
  1. One year's subscription to a Sky Sports package, currently worth about £500
  2. £500 in gift vouchers to spend at Lush and/or B Never
  3. £250 cash
I guess forners can substitute in their sports TV package provider of choice. [Error: Invalid poll ID 1351055]For transparency, I went with the Lush vouchers: I swear b their solid shampoo for the long hair I'd probably still have if I were a guy, and their facial products don't hurt like so much cosmetic crap I've tried. And as matgbMat Bowles pointed out, I can probably sell £300 of those Lush vouchers for £270, giving me the money on top of £200 of vouchers.

I also worked out that £500 off a Sky Sports package would leave me with £12 a month extra to pay and a setup charge of £129. Ignoring the set up charge, the total saving was £437.40 a year, which might be worth it if I didn't think Virgin On Demand a better package. With the Sky+ box, however, it becomes just £308.40, and I think the Lush vouchers a better deal.

I think I may have broke the gender stereotype somewhere.
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18th-Feb-2009 10:10 am (UTC)
I could buy and resell the Lush products, but I'm really too lazy for that and know that I'd probably just end up sitting on the voucher and never actually trading it in. £250 in the hand beats £500 in the bush. The sports package doesn't interest me remotely.
18th-Feb-2009 10:13 am (UTC)
I think you're picking the most popular option, definitely.
18th-Feb-2009 10:17 am (UTC)
I'm a heterosexual male and I've gone for the £250 in cash, because I hate most sports with a passion and I don't use cosmetics beyond soap, shampoo and a bit of moisturiser.

But as I pondered on Jennie's blog, how representative is LJ of the population at large? What percentage of male sports fans have even heard of LJ?

Of course most stereotypes are hopelessly inaccurate. But, I think some exist for a reason. There's no smoke without fire and all that.

I certainly feel like I'm in the minority as a sports hating Scotsman, I can tell you that. Strange men are always trying to make conversation by asking me how I felt about the game last night, and I usually have no idea what game they're talking about! Even among my friends, I'm the odd man out for not giving a hoot about football or rugby. So, in my experience at least, that stereotype is pretty accurate.

Edited at 2009-02-18 10:18 (UTC)
18th-Feb-2009 10:29 am (UTC)
Some stereotypes are based on higher frequencies. Some are not. Some higher frequencies are caused by stereotypes: most little girls like pink; do we really think this is genetic or caused by society telling the girls they ought to like pink?

The conversation was based on the a priori assumption that stereotypes are fully accurate to the extent of being useful in explaining human behaviour. For this assumption to be useful, you'd have to be so rare as to be a statistical anomaly; less than 5% occurence.
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18th-Feb-2009 10:51 am (UTC)
I am a total sports fanatic (and for purposes of the poll translated Sky Sports to its American equivalent). But aside from rather having the money, I decided long ago that one reason I don't want cable or satellite is that during baseball season, Batya would never see me.
18th-Feb-2009 10:59 am (UTC)
I love how everyone's actually adding thought to their answers - even the sports fans. You're denying those LibCon types by daring to be an individual!
18th-Feb-2009 10:55 am (UTC)
As much as I can't see myself ever buying $500 worth of cosmetic products for myself, I could probably find something I liked and the rest can cover birthday/Christmas gifts for the rest of the year! Lush sells everything from plain ol' soap and moisturiser to henna hair-dye. I mean, even my dad uses soap and moisturiser.
18th-Feb-2009 10:58 am (UTC)
I uh, did the maths for you - it's not $500, it's $1,110. I don't know if they come with expiry dates, but I'd kit myself up with shampoo, shower gel and facial wash for five years.
18th-Feb-2009 11:06 am (UTC)
I chose cash.

Now, you had a point about the gift vouchers being salable, but I don't use eBay anymore and I wouldn't know where else to sell them, and I always feel kind of bad selling things I got for free. Free-free, not with-paid-admission free.

On the other hand, I chose cash because my instincts were 'pfft, sports-related anything? Boring,' because sports are Organized and Participatory and Shit My Father And Sister Like, so I dislike them out of hand, followed by '... bath stuff? Er? No?' because while I can understand that other people have sensitive skin or like to Smell Like Stuff, I have shampoo and conditioner for fine-or-oily hair, I have face soap, scruffer, and shower gel, and part of me STILL thinks I ought to be able to skip one of those steps. (I DID pick my shower gel for the smell. It is Toasted Sugarcube, but it is by Suave and costs about two-fifty at big-box convenience stores for what is probably a liter.)

THAT SAID.

If I were banned from using the cash toward my credit card debt or other practical uses like "Okay, I know a pound is something like a dollar-sixty, or was a little while ago, so that'd totally give me a SWEET Emergency Vet Fund!", I would spend it on dolls and probably candy and maybe another pair of ridiculously comfortable flip-flops if I were in the vicinity and feeling particularly grown-up.

So really, I think the trouble here is that I may be a Girl, but I am in my heart a nine-year-old Girl.
18th-Feb-2009 11:11 am (UTC)
You are totally allowed to spend it on dolls! Afterall I may be a Girl, but I'm a maths-addicted Girl who had to sit down and properly calculate the best bargain. And I'm a girl who needs special girly stuff for a hairstyle I guarantee I'd have if I were male, being a black-wearing metal-loving longhaired person.
18th-Feb-2009 11:08 am (UTC)
I'm not hugely interested in sports or soap. Thinking about it, there aren't many things for which I'd take £500 of vouchers in preference to £250 cold hard cash - Amazon or play.com, I suppose. Motorcycle clothing and accessories? The Apple Store?
18th-Feb-2009 11:12 am (UTC)
British Airways?
18th-Feb-2009 11:22 am (UTC)
Completely unrelated to the whole point of the poll, but possibly revealing nonetheless: I've been thinking of looking into Lush for a while now, and this year I am not going to be frantically penny-pinching so I might even be able to afford it. Which of their shampoos & conditioners do you like? I am despairing of ever finding a combination that will leave my hair straight instead of mostly-straight-but-with-lots-of-fluffy-bits.
18th-Feb-2009 12:07 pm (UTC)
I have no favourite shampoo - I pick and mix because changing shampoo regularly has always been a reliable strategy for me. But the hard water one is good for me, and so is the blonde one - my Firefox won't let me linnk right now, but I say go for the one that smells best.

I can't use their solid conditioner, though. They crunble into my hair and won't wash out.
18th-Feb-2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
I voted once for each gender identity. Me-as-female is more concerned about being viewed as feminine, so she went for the cash. Me-as-male went for the Lush package because he enjoys being perceived as feminine in some contexts, and hey-- if the vouchers don't expire, that's free hair care products for the foreseeable future! With the amount of hair I have*, that's a pretty sweet deal.

*And would, like you, still have if I were a man. I don't plan on hiding my hair if I ever get up the courage to walk around in public en homme.
18th-Feb-2009 02:27 pm (UTC)
I dislike sports and I don't buy overpriced soaps: gimme the money.
18th-Feb-2009 02:33 pm (UTC)
Cash, and straight to the London Review Bookshop for me. My tastes in sport would be far too eclectic for Sky or most any other sports package (unless it can show me curling, sumo wrestling, and test cricket on-demand), and I've never hopped on the Lush bandwagon. But I hadn't properly considered the prospect of selling them, which I suppose makes me a bad little capitalist. ^^;;
18th-Feb-2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
I took the cash but holy crap I didn't think to sell the vouchers!

(I don't wear much makeup, so it's p. much lost on me.)

Still, 250 would buy a lot of books...
18th-Feb-2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
My first reaction?

"Why don't they have options for gender neutral to vote on what they would buy?"

After that I voted for Lush. Partially because my little brain just COULDN'T resist the value of twice as much money, thinking about reselling the vouchers if I needed to.

Also, I'm not really a big sports fan, so I don't know a LOT about the crap that I could buy with the "Sky Sports" package.

But I know that anything from Lush is very very VERY easily giftable, and/or resellable if I don't like it. And that Lush gift vouchers would sell like delicious candy.




That being said, I make my basis for Lush off of I love smelly things, not that I love pretty things or even particularly BEING pretty*. I would probably only buy soaps and shampoos, and maybe some perfumes (But I've pretty much got a box of BPAL imps to last me til the end of my days), but to hell with makeup and "skin care products." Just gimme my yummy smelling shampoo, and my delicious bars of soap.

* This posits an interesting question in my mind. Which would people rather have, looking average and smelling delicious (aka products and stuff), or being a fair bit better than average looking and smelling.... plain. Clean. Not gross, but just... like nothing.
And/or which do you prefer on the opposite sex?

....*goes to set up poll*
18th-Feb-2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
I ... need to pay ... for a car ... and will take anything that can help me with it; I laugh in the face of luxury. Or I just don't know what it is. £250 would help; even $250 would help but that's definitely less than it is in Better Valued Currency. When given the option of "nice things" or "things that will aid in survival" I always pick the second, money value or gender or anything notwithstanding.

I feel very boring.

I certainly would like the Lush products, but I certainly need the cash, as my girlfriend's car is on its last legs and we live in a mass transit wasteland where there's mostly nothing in walking distance.
19th-Feb-2009 11:00 am (UTC) - D'oh!
Fraid I can't meet up for lunch today as our boss is taking us all out for a meal. Next week?
19th-Feb-2009 11:02 am (UTC) - Re: D'oh!
Works for me!
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